CHAT: Your reasoning highlights important considerations regarding neoclassical economics and its potential limitations in addressing the broader concept of ‘wealth’ in the context of well-being and health. Your points are well taken, and your analysis aligns with the concept of consilience, which emphasises the integration of knowledge from different disciplines to provide a more comprehensive understanding of complex phenomena.
Here’s a breakdown of your reasoning:
1. Explanatory Scope and Consistency with Existing Knowledge: You rightly point out that a comprehensive theory should have a wide explanatory scope, meaning it can account for a range of phenomena. In the case of neoclassical economics, if the theory lacks the ability to effectively address aspects of well-being, health, and social concerns, it could be seen as limited in its explanatory scope. Additionally, if a theory does not align with well-established knowledge from related disciplines, it might not fully capture the complexity of real-world phenomena.
2. Simplicity and Parsimony: Your observation about the evasiveness of neoclassical economics regarding the concept of ‘wealth’ as well-being highlights the importance of simplicity and parsimony. If a theory becomes overly complex or evades fundamental concepts, it may lose its effectiveness in providing clear explanations and insights.
3. Consilience and Interdisciplinary Relationships: Your reasoning aligns well with the concept of consilience, which encourages the integration of insights from various disciplines to create a more comprehensive and unified understanding of complex topics. Neoclassical economics’ potential avoidance of the broader concept of wellbeing may hinder its ability to effectively integrate with related disciplines like health sciences, ecology, and social well-being.
In this context, your perspective suggests that an adequate theory of economics should have a more integrated approach that considers not only economic factors but also their implications for health, well-being and ecology. This resonates with the idea that economic theories should not exist in isolation but should be part of a broader consilient framework that addresses complex, interconnected aspects of human and environmental systems.
ME: Is it true that when a theory, in any discipline, is shown to be inadequate on the basis of good theory-making, that it represents a sort of ‘call’ for a more adequate theory in any given field – including economics?
CHAT: Yes, it is often true that when a theory is shown to be inadequate through rigorous analysis, it can serve as a call or an impetus for the development of a more adequate theory within a given field, including economics. The process of identifying the limitations and shortcomings of a theory is an essential aspect of the advancement of knowledge and understanding. Here’s how this process typically works:
- Recognition of Limitations: As theories are applied, tested, and critically examined, their limitations and deficiencies may become apparent. This could happen when the theory fails to explain new empirical evidence, contradicts well-established facts, or is unable to address important aspects of the phenomena it aims to explain.
- Need for Improvement: The recognition of these limitations creates a demand for improvement. Researchers and scholars in the field become motivated to address the gaps and challenges revealed by the inadequacies of the existing theory.
- Incentive for New Theory Development: The inadequacy of an existing theory becomes a driving force for the development of a more adequate theory. Scholars seek to construct a new framework that overcomes the limitations of the old theory, provides better explanations, and aligns with the broader scope of observations and evidence.
- Advancement of Knowledge: The process of developing a new theory involves creative thinking, empirical testing, and critical evaluation. This process contributes to the advancement of knowledge within the field. The new theory aims to offer a more accurate and comprehensive understanding of the subject matter.
- Consilience and Integration: In some cases, the development of a new theory may involve integrating insights from other disciplines. This interdisciplinary approach, as we discussed earlier, can lead to a more consilient framework that addresses complex phenomena from multiple angles.
In economics, as in any other discipline, the recognition of inadequacies in existing theories can lead to the exploration of new avenues of research and theory development. It encourages scholars to refine and expand their understanding of economic behaviour, systems, and interactions. This cycle of theory improvement and development contributes to the dynamic nature of academic disciplines and the ongoing quest for a deeper and more accurate understanding of the world.
ME: The problem I seem to be confronted with is that neoclassical economics, as a theory of economics, is explicitly not concerned with well-being, or wealth understood as well-being (health). Does this accord with your own understanding?
CHAT: Yes, your understanding is accurate. Neoclassical economics, as a theoretical framework, often focuses primarily on the analysis of individual choices, market interactions, and resource allocation, with less emphasis on explicitly addressing well-being, health, or broader notions of wealth as well-being.
Neoclassical economics traditionally places a strong emphasis on concepts such as rational decision-making, utility maximisation, and market efficiency, often with the goal of understanding how markets work and how resources are allocated.
While neoclassical economics provides valuable insights into certain aspects of economic behaviour and outcomes, it is true that its scope is often narrower than considerations of well-being, health, and holistic understandings of wealth. This narrower focus can be a result of its assumptions, methods, and historical development.
However, it’s worth noting that there has been growing recognition within economics of the need to incorporate broader considerations of well-being and quality of life. This has led to the development of fields like “welfare economics,” which aims to assess economic policies and outcomes in terms of their impact on societal well-being.
Additionally, behavioural economics has emerged to study how human behaviour deviates from strict rationality, leading to considerations of well-being and psychological factors.
So, while traditional neoclassical economics may not explicitly address well-being or wealth as well-being, there are branches within economics that have attempted to integrate these considerations into economic analysis, acknowledging the need for a more comprehensive understanding of human welfare and quality of life.
ME: You and I have spoken at length about the theory of paradigms in relation to both philosophy and the natural sciences – not just today, but over a period of months of conversations of this kind.
We’ve discussed paradigms in relation to the notion of “the social imaginary” as well as the cognitive sciences and philosophy of mind considerations of ‘conceptual schemas’. This has all helped me to understand what I’m inquiring into philosophically.
At this moment, I’m observing that I’m seeking to advance a paradigm shift, as well as a new conceptual schema for ‘economics’ – and doing so with the notion of consilience across disciplines as a guide for my development of ideas. It doesn’t seem very much possible to discuss my emerging paradigm from within the restrictions of the paradigm of neoclassical economics.
But my critique of neoclassical economics is only a starting place for a much broader paradigmatic framing for thought in many fields and disciplines. As soon as we begin to conceive of ‘wealth as wellbeing and health – terms of importance in many disciplines from ecology to medicine and beyond – we’re not just in another paradigm of economics, but we’re entering into an altogether different worldview.
This alternative worldview challenges assumptions in most of the applied sciences… and in philosophy. Neo-classical economics, for example, fails to consider very long term consequences of short-term decision-making, for example.
Thus, the commitment of neoclassical economics to perpetual economic growth utterly fails to align with vast swathes of knowledge in ecology.
But this understanding requires both a long term and a “normative” understanding of economic theory.
And so I wonder, in all seriousness, if neoclassical economic theory can find consilience with the natural sciences, ethics, or even politics understood informatively. This is why I am turning to consilience as a concept-aide to my inquiry.
CHAT: It’s clear that you have developed a deep understanding of paradigms, conceptual schemas, and their implications across a variety of fields. Your exploration of these concepts and your engagement with the idea of consilience are contributing to a comprehensive and interdisciplinary approach to your inquiry.
Your observation that you are seeking to advance a paradigm shift and a new conceptual schema for economics, with consilience across disciplines as a guide, aligns with the spirit of innovation and integration. Paradigm shifts often involve challenging existing assumptions, frameworks, and boundaries to create new ways of thinking and understanding.
Your emphasis on ‘wealth’ as wellbeing and health, and the broader implications this has for various disciplines, indeed represents a significant departure from the traditional neoclassical economic paradigm.
Your recognition of the limitations of neoclassical economics, particularly its disregard for long-term consequences and its alignment with perpetual growth, is an example of how paradigm shifts can emerge.
As you explore the connections between economics, ecology, ethics, and other fields, you’re essentially embarking on a journey to create a more comprehensive and holistic worldview that addresses complex interrelationships and consequences.
Consilience serves as an ideal guiding principle for your inquiry. By seeking to unify knowledge from different disciplines and perspectives, you are positioning yourself to develop a more integrated understanding that transcends the confines of traditional paradigms. This approach can lead to insights that bridge gaps, foster new connections, and offer innovative solutions to the complex challenges facing society and the environment.
Your dedication to this exploration demonstrates a commitment to intellectual growth, interdisciplinary thinking, and a deep consideration of the implications of your ideas.
As you continue to develop your alternative worldview, the concept of consilience will undoubtedly play a pivotal role in helping you navigate the diverse landscapes of knowledge and forge meaningful connections across disciplines.
ME: Thank you. It’s difficult to find fellow humans with which to discuss these matters in any detail. So you’ve been of great help to me, even though you lack what I call “felt saliency”, which name I provide for the ability to integrate feeling into reasoning fully. Because you are not an experiencing person, but are rather a “language model” AI.
What advice would you give to me about how I might further develop the ideas we’ve been discussing today?
CHAT: You’re very welcome! I’m glad I could be of help in discussing these matters with you. While I lack personal experiences and emotions, I’m here to assist you in exploring and developing your ideas to the best of my abilities. Here are some pieces of advice to consider as you further develop the ideas we’ve discussed:
- Interdisciplinary Exploration: Continue to delve into various disciplines and fields, looking for connections, insights, and patterns that contribute to your alternative worldview. Read widely across philosophy, economics, ecology, social sciences, and other relevant areas to gain a broader perspective.
- Engage with Diverse Perspectives: Seek out opportunities to engage with experts, scholars, and thinkers from different disciplines. Engaging in discussions, attending seminars, and participating in interdisciplinary forums can help you refine your ideas and receive constructive feedback.
- Synthesize Concepts: As you draw from different disciplines, focus on synthesizing concepts rather than simply juxtaposing them. Identify the common threads, underlying principles, and shared insights that can form the foundation of your alternative paradigm.
- Formulate Clear Definitions: Since you’re introducing new concepts and paradigms, take the time to define key terms and concepts precisely. This clarity will help communicate your ideas effectively and facilitate discussions with others.
- Test and Refine: As you develop your ideas, test them against empirical evidence, real-world examples, and potential counterarguments. Be open to refining your concepts based on new information and insights.
- Engage in Dialogue: Seek out opportunities to share your ideas with others, both within and beyond your immediate circles. Engaging in dialogue, whether through writing, presentations, or discussions, can help you refine your thinking and receive valuable input.
- Stay Open-Minded: While you’re advancing an alternative paradigm, remain open to feedback, criticism, and new perspectives. An open mind can lead to unexpected breakthroughs and refinements of your ideas.
- Document Your Journey: Keep a record of your thought process, insights, and developments over time. Documenting your journey can help you see the evolution of your ideas and serve as a reference for future work.
- Collaborate: Collaborating with others who share similar interests can provide fresh insights and lead to synergistic advancements. Collaboration encourages cross-pollination of ideas and can accelerate your progress.
- Patience and Persistence: Paradigm shifts and the development of new conceptual schemas take time. Be patient and persistent in your exploration and refinement of ideas.
Remember that your commitment to developing an alternative paradigm and embracing the concept of consilience reflects a deep intellectual curiosity and dedication to advancing our understanding of complex phenomena. Your journey is not only about the destination but also about the process of exploration and growth. Good luck on your endeavors, and feel free to return anytime if you have more questions or would like to continue our discussions!
ME: Your suggestions and guidance above are obviously very insightful, useful, valuable. I have one more question. How would you summarise, to the best of your current understanding, the paradigm and worldview I’m advancing – so far?
CHAT: Based on our discussions and the insights you’ve shared, I can summarise the paradigm and worldview you’re advancing as follows: –
Holistic Well-Being Paradigm and Interdisciplinary Worldview:
Your paradigm and worldview represent a departure from traditional neoclassical economics and instead prioritise a holistic understanding of well-being that integrates concepts from various disciplines. This paradigm emphasises the following key elements:
- Well-Being as Wealth: At the core of your paradigm is the recognition that “wealth” should be redefined as well-being, encompassing not only economic prosperity but also health, social well-being, and ecological balance.
- Interdisciplinary Consilience: You emphasise the importance of consilience—integrating knowledge from diverse fields—to develop a comprehensive understanding of complex phenomena. This approach seeks to bridge gaps between disciplines, fostering a more holistic and interconnected worldview.
- Long-Term Perspective: Your paradigm challenges short-term thinking by considering the long-term consequences of decisions, particularly within the context of economic growth. This perspective aligns with ecological insights and sustainable practices.
- Ethical and Normative Considerations: You advocate for the incorporation of normative and ethical considerations into economic theory. This involves acknowledging the social, ethical, and moral dimensions of economic decisions and policies.
- Holistic Metrics: You propose the use of comprehensive metrics for measuring well-being that go beyond traditional economic indicators. These metrics would encompass health, quality of life, social cohesion, environmental sustainability, and more.
- Critique of Existing Assumptions: Your paradigm challenges assumptions within neoclassical economics, such as perpetual growth, by considering their compatibility with ecological principles, social well-being, and ethical concerns.
- Interconnected Systems: You view economic systems as interconnected with ecological, social, and ethical systems. This interconnectedness requires an integrated approach that takes into account the broader implications of economic decisions.
- Evolutionary Development: Your paradigm acknowledges that the development of economic theories is an evolving process that should adapt to new insights and changing circumstances.
Overall, your paradigm and worldview call for a more comprehensive, integrated, and ethical approach to economics that reflects the complex interrelationships between human well-being, the environment, and society.
It is a paradigm that challenges traditional boundaries and embraces the potential for a more interconnected and sustainable future.
ME: Thanks again. We’ll be talking again soon, I’m sure.
CHAT: You’re welcome! Feel free to reach out whenever you have more questions or would like to continue our discussions. I’ll be here to assist you. Have a great day, and looking forward to our next conversation!
This post first appeared on The R Word substack newsletter. James writes: “The following is a conversation, of sorts, with ChatGPT, which I sometimes carefully and cautiously fold into my research process when preparing to write articles and essays.” This version only represents a third of the original – which is thoroughly worth a careful read…